12 thoughts on “Calif. court voids S.F. gay marriages”

  1. Whether or not you think the act of a gay marriage amendment is good isn’t the point of why they annulled the marriages. They did it because the mayor made a decision he doesn’t have the power to implement.

    Personally, I hope they do overturn the annulments, and even go so far as to allow more marriages to take place, because there are many happy gay and lesbian couples in the world that deserve rights just like us heteros. With divorse rates as high as they are amoung Americans, maybe the gay and lesbian communities can show us how to work at our marriages and not squander the rights we receive with them. Hope I don’t start a debate with this, as I am an unarmed man in a battle of wits at times.

  2. or marrages could bring the third party (God) back into them how it was origionally intended to be. Every couple that waits till marrage to get physically involved and allows Christ to be the center of the household is strong and stands the test of time (interesting since they listened to God in their relationship he seems to reward them with Joy and true Love in each other). I’m flabergasted that you believe people who have a distorted self image (homosexuals) can teach people how marrage should work.

  3. I find it very ironic that [Christians] claim to be all forgiving and open minded, yet at the same time condemn and hate and judge everyone who isn’t exactly like them. Would Jesus log into the internet spreading hate and lies and misinformation like this?

    I understand not all Christians are like this, and I apologize if my generalizations do not apply to you. Of course, if you think it does apply to you, maybe you should seek elsewhere in your beliefs. I’m sorry Ryan for getting on the soapbox here, I just find this topic very sad that we [Americans] are denying a sub-group of our population rights they ought to have [like all Americans]

  4. no I didn’t condem anyone or say anything out of line. You did however put quite the array of words into my archived phrase. Words like condemn, hate, judge. I simply stated facts about christian marrages and you got all upset.

    and about judgement, Christians have the right to judge the morality of actions because of the holy spirit, it’s 1 Corinthians 2:15-16 if you care to read it. However we can not judge a whole person because we can not truly see their heart for Christ.

    The truth is that people of this world are more confused as to who they are then generations have been in the past, when confused people get married it is destined for failure (unless of course you are confused of the same method, hense your statement about homosexual union). It is only a logically statement that affirms both your and my statements about marriage. Only the fact that my statement could be correct upsets you gravely.

  5. So, let me get this right. A homosexual is confused. Right?

    Also, IMO I don’t think that we have given them (the homosexuals) enough time to warrant the outlawing of such acts. To me, this is a social change that goes right along with that of slavery, women’s rights, and minority rights in this country. You can claim that this is a terrible analogy for this, but I think that it is fair to claim this because there has not been such an uproar about such a large social issue in a long time (from how I see it).

    What do I think? It really doesn’t matter and I am not about to say. Some people get stuck on the word “marriage” others just don’t even get that far and simply dont agree with homosexuality. You can have our heavenly father guide you in your decisions, but, in this country, He is not the one who writes the law. We have no national religion and there is a separation from church and state (or there is supposed to be).

    I personally think that once you know the issue on a personal level, past the spiritual level that you will gain a better understanding for other parts of this controversy.

    I realize that there are strong opinions on both sides, but I would ask that you please not defame someone because of their beleifs. You both are making valid points and I don’t want to stand in the way of a good discussion.

  6. The Myth of Separation of Church and State | Leftist Battle Cry
    The constitution is clear when it comes to religion as it says in the first amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    “The real object of the [First] [A]mendment was not to countenance, much less to advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. It thus cut off the means of religious persecution (the vice and pest of former ages), and of the subversion of the rights of conscience in matters of religion, which had been trampled upon almost from the days of the Apostles to the present age. . . .” – Thomas Cooley

    “[A]ll men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience, and . . . no particular religious sect or society ought to be favored or established, by law, in preference to others.” – William Rehnquist

    US not founded on absolute Church-State Separation- William Rehnquist

    That being said time and time again (and if you look at the christian wars that occurred in europe it makes sense for this amendment). Also with more and more research coming out that is leading many to believe that homosexuality is an issue of nurture over nature (Monkey Research) they would have no legal rights as it is not a natural state of being, it is created through lack of proper parenting.

    “The general principle of parenting is important and can have impacts not only at the level of behavior, but also in hormonal activities, brain chemistry, structure and function, and at the level of gene expression” – Stephen Suomi

    This is where people realize I might actually have a valid point, but then again I couldn’t possibly because I’m some crazy religious fanatic… right…

  7. Dare I venture into the fray? Well nurture was said to override nature so I thought I’d just add info from my SOC studies to give light to the other side. There is no conclusive evidence of it being either nature or nurture, having read a dozen studies on nature v. nurture theory of homosexuality for a class, both of equally impressive arguments on both sides. The most common scientific arguments for “nature” can be summed up here though. But like I said, neither side of arguments are definitive enough, but I, like everyone else have my own opinions. In any case, I think it’s important to know both arguments when formulating your opinions. There ends the justification of my linkage.

    As for completely attributing homosexuality to “bad parenting”, as mentioned before, there still lacks absolute evidence for cause of well, what “makes you” gay. Heterosexuals and homosexuals come from every type of family background. I’d shy from using phrases like “bad parenting” simply because you also get into the mess of who is to define what values are “good” and “bad”.

    And Paul’s right, it was with the intent of prohibiting religious persecution between Chrstian sects that spurred the amendment. But that shouldn’t limit the statute of separation of church and state for our country.

    “Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

    -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

    And I did care to read Corinthians, even though intended for Aaron. I never saw it as a Christian’s “right to judge” but rather that a believer’s love may abound and seek to discern what’s best (Phil 1:9-11) not judge. But hey, might just be a play on words, no?

    Any anger and accusation invoked aside, it is discussion like this that facilitiates…um, it gets one thinking. I agree with Ryan that this is yet another social change in this country, whether we like to admit it or not. And it is discussion like this, the freedom to share the opinions, perspectives, and facts that reflects the beauty of this country through the multi-faceted views that it is made up of. Freedom of conscience via blog? Ha.

  8. One final comment from me here. I did read the verses you noted Jamie and they are focused on how one should live their life our lives where the verses in I noted from Corinthians focus on the importance of fellowship. If you see a brother or sister in Christ doing something that is hurting their relationship with the Father it is OK to tell him so. This is why being involved in fellowship is so important, the ability we have to look externally at the walks of those close to us is meant to occur. Itís there so that we can encourage each other and tell them that which they are doing that distances them from Christ.

    As Christians we are called not to judge those outside of the church (for that is the job of Christ 1 Cor 5:12-13) but the issue of this post directly ties back to religion. While I donít care what secular society does if there is going to be a change in society that could cause brothers and sisters of mine in Christ to stumble in their walks with the Lord. I want nothing more then for those around me to be able to experience the fullest personal relationship with God that they can. So if it takes discernment/judgment/spiritual eyes on my part to help a brother or sister in there walk, thatís what we are called to do. I would pray that they would for me as well (and they have in the past, every time I am grateful).

    Philippians 1:9-11 is a prayer of hope Paul gave for the people of Philippi. The scripture in 1Cor adds to that discernment that is gained by the Holy Spirit. Demons live in all of our lives and mask themselves over and hide causing a rift in our relationship with Christ. With the help of others we can see them, and have power over them with the name of Jesus in specific prayer of faith. Itís the same reason weíre called to confess our sins to a brother in Christ (or in jamies case a sister in Christ) so that we can be an encouragement and accountability. For the purpose that we will be in their lives to help them grow in their walks with the Lord.

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